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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 24, 2023 20:06:04 GMT -6
Yeah,but JMU can’t keep a coach either.I’m not interested in how little we can get a good coach….ULM tries that every year.Jamie Chadwell probably could’ve increased his pay this year but Liberty fits his culture.Someone would stay for the Troy small town culture we just have to be closer on a counter offer.HCJS got a fanstatic contract Chadwell is getting paid ALOT at Liberty. It’s a very wealthy private school Spot on. They can write P5 checks.
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Post by The Cardinal Rule on Dec 24, 2023 22:34:02 GMT -6
I am going to give Coach Parker a chance. Right now he's 0-0 at Troy. Let's see what happens.
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Post by fltrojan on Dec 25, 2023 7:58:01 GMT -6
Yeah,but JMU can’t keep a coach either.I’m not interested in how little we can get a good coach….ULM tries that every year.Jamie Chadwell probably could’ve increased his pay this year but Liberty fits his culture.Someone would stay for the Troy small town culture we just have to be closer on a counter offer.HCJS got a fanstatic contract Chadwell is getting paid ALOT at Liberty. It’s a very wealthy private school They had signed Coach Blindside to a $5,000,000 a year deal and he still left
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Post by trojanocean on Dec 25, 2023 9:24:10 GMT -6
It would take a lot to convince me we hired Parker because we really, really wanted to; meaning that he was in the 1) spot on that list Brent Jones keeps in his pocket. Or even in the top ten. Or was even ON the list until we burned through those who actually were on it and now we were down to the bottom of the barrel of who was left to pick from. It still makes zero sense to me. The only thing it seems he had going for him was he was in the camp of Brown and our last head coach. There was not anyone anywhere in the college football world who saw this Crazy Ivan move coming. And the reaction wasn't "WOW! Didn't expect that but now that we see it, WOW!" No, instead the reaction was MUCH the same as when we hired Fester. The faithful remnant swallowing hard, keeping it positive while keeping their reservations to themselves, and saying, "well, let's get behind it and hope for the best" and the OTHER faithful remnant scratching their heads and going "Really?...Seriously?...What just happened?"
So, trouble hiring a coach at Troy? Yeah, I think that's definitely more than plausible. Are there a lot of coaches who would love to come to Troy? Sure! Are there a lot who would settle for what Troy has to offer when it's time to talk business? Well, I believe apparently not or someone else would be coaching at Troy.
It is said that Texas A&M leaked Stoops name early before it was official to run it up the flagpole for the fanbase and see the reaction. The reaction was very sour and offer was withdrawn. We are not TX A&M. So we have to settle for a PR campaign from previous coaches and others to try to cajole support for our hire when the reaction from many has again been, "really?...seriously?...what just happened?
Make a "pros" wishlist of what you would want in a head coach and compare that to the actual pros list we're getting with Parker and it would in NO way be an inspiring exercise.
We have trouble hiring the coach we want at Troy. We have no trouble hiring any coach we can get at Troy. Even if this one seems like a Troy-Kinda-Guy.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 25, 2023 9:46:17 GMT -6
I disagree. Anyone who wants to be a head coach and make millions should be stalking CJH and ADBJ. Troy is a gateway to millions.
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Post by trojanocean on Dec 25, 2023 9:54:53 GMT -6
I disagree. Anyone who wants to be a head coach and make millions should be stalking CJH and ADBJ. Troy is a gateway to millions. Differing points of view are one of the things that makes the world go 'round. I appreciate your respectful reply.
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Post by chasin170 on Dec 25, 2023 10:40:11 GMT -6
I disagree. Anyone who wants to be a head coach and make millions should be stalking CJH and ADBJ. Troy is a gateway to millions. Spot on……The Sun Belt Conference is the gateway to future stout contracts……Malzahn,Freeze,Harsin,Drinkwitz,Brown,Sumrall,Cignetti,Satterfield all profited handsomely by taking sun belt jobs. Fans thinking we were scraping the bottom of the barrel to hire Notre Dame’s OC seems misguided
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Post by chasin170 on Dec 25, 2023 10:47:06 GMT -6
Chadwell is getting paid ALOT at Liberty. It’s a very wealthy private school They had signed Coach Blindside to a $5,000,000 a year deal and he still left My point wasn’t about Liberty’s ability to pay but that very few coaches will take a million plus cut in pay annually due to good schools for the kids…..Chadwell may be one was all i was saying.
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Post by fltrojan on Dec 25, 2023 11:01:35 GMT -6
It would take a lot to convince me we hired Parker because we really, really wanted to; meaning that he was in the 1) spot on that list Brent Jones keeps in his pocket. Or even in the top ten. Or was even ON the list until we burned through those who actually were on it and now we were down to the bottom of the barrel of who was left to pick from. It still makes zero sense to me. The only thing it seems he had going for him was he was in the camp of Brown and our last head coach. There was not anyone anywhere in the college football world who saw this Crazy Ivan move coming. And the reaction wasn't "WOW! Didn't expect that but now that we see it, WOW!" No, instead the reaction was MUCH the same as when we hired Fester. The faithful remnant swallowing hard, keeping it positive while keeping their reservations to themselves, and saying, "well, let's get behind it and hope for the best" and the OTHER faithful remnant scratching their heads and going "Really?...Seriously?...What just happened?" So, trouble hiring a coach at Troy? Yeah, I think that's definitely more than plausible. Are there a lot of coaches who would love to come to Troy? Sure! Are there a lot who would settle for what Troy has to offer when it's time to talk business? Well, I believe apparently not or someone else would be coaching at Troy. It is said that Texas A&M leaked Stoops name early before it was official to run it up the flagpole for the fanbase and see the reaction. The reaction was very sour and offer was withdrawn. We are not TX A&M. So we have to settle for a PR campaign from previous coaches and others to try to cajole support for our hire when the reaction from many has again been, "really?...seriously?...what just happened? Make a "pros" wishlist of what you would want in a head coach and compare that to the actual pros list we're getting with Parker and it would in NO way be an inspiring exercise. We have trouble hiring the coach we want at Troy. We have no trouble hiring any coach we can get at Troy. Even if this one seems like a Troy-Kinda-Guy. We have a criteria or formula we have followed since 1991 imo and this has to be somewhat Hawkins because there has been four different AD's involved but the criteria hasn't changed. Basically P5 coordinator or high level assistant. LB, Neal Brown, Fester, JS and now Parker. Current 3-1 on this formula and will see soon if it's 4-1 or 3-2. JMU only wants a proven HC from a lower level. They are currently 2-0 with this and soon either 3-0 or 3-1. Both systems work and both systems have it's flaws.
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 25, 2023 11:11:13 GMT -6
It would take a lot to convince me we hired Parker because we really, really wanted to; meaning that he was in the 1) spot on that list Brent Jones keeps in his pocket. Or even in the top ten. Or was even ON the list until we burned through those who actually were on it and now we were down to the bottom of the barrel of who was left to pick from. It still makes zero sense to me. The only thing it seems he had going for him was he was in the camp of Brown and our last head coach. There was not anyone anywhere in the college football world who saw this Crazy Ivan move coming. And the reaction wasn't "WOW! Didn't expect that but now that we see it, WOW!" No, instead the reaction was MUCH the same as when we hired Fester. The faithful remnant swallowing hard, keeping it positive while keeping their reservations to themselves, and saying, "well, let's get behind it and hope for the best" and the OTHER faithful remnant scratching their heads and going "Really?...Seriously?...What just happened?" So, trouble hiring a coach at Troy? Yeah, I think that's definitely more than plausible. Are there a lot of coaches who would love to come to Troy? Sure! Are there a lot who would settle for what Troy has to offer when it's time to talk business? Well, I believe apparently not or someone else would be coaching at Troy. It is said that Texas A&M leaked Stoops name early before it was official to run it up the flagpole for the fanbase and see the reaction. The reaction was very sour and offer was withdrawn. We are not TX A&M. So we have to settle for a PR campaign from previous coaches and others to try to cajole support for our hire when the reaction from many has again been, "really?...seriously?...what just happened? Make a "pros" wishlist of what you would want in a head coach and compare that to the actual pros list we're getting with Parker and it would in NO way be an inspiring exercise. We have trouble hiring the coach we want at Troy. We have no trouble hiring any coach we can get at Troy. Even if this one seems like a Troy-Kinda-Guy. I’m not following your logic. What are you basing this conclusion off of that he was not the #1 pick? Who would you have had in your top 3?
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 25, 2023 11:18:17 GMT -6
It would take a lot to convince me we hired Parker because we really, really wanted to; meaning that he was in the 1) spot on that list Brent Jones keeps in his pocket. Or even in the top ten. Or was even ON the list until we burned through those who actually were on it and now we were down to the bottom of the barrel of who was left to pick from. It still makes zero sense to me. The only thing it seems he had going for him was he was in the camp of Brown and our last head coach. There was not anyone anywhere in the college football world who saw this Crazy Ivan move coming. And the reaction wasn't "WOW! Didn't expect that but now that we see it, WOW!" No, instead the reaction was MUCH the same as when we hired Fester. The faithful remnant swallowing hard, keeping it positive while keeping their reservations to themselves, and saying, "well, let's get behind it and hope for the best" and the OTHER faithful remnant scratching their heads and going "Really?...Seriously?...What just happened?" So, trouble hiring a coach at Troy? Yeah, I think that's definitely more than plausible. Are there a lot of coaches who would love to come to Troy? Sure! Are there a lot who would settle for what Troy has to offer when it's time to talk business? Well, I believe apparently not or someone else would be coaching at Troy. It is said that Texas A&M leaked Stoops name early before it was official to run it up the flagpole for the fanbase and see the reaction. The reaction was very sour and offer was withdrawn. We are not TX A&M. So we have to settle for a PR campaign from previous coaches and others to try to cajole support for our hire when the reaction from many has again been, "really?...seriously?...what just happened? Make a "pros" wishlist of what you would want in a head coach and compare that to the actual pros list we're getting with Parker and it would in NO way be an inspiring exercise. We have trouble hiring the coach we want at Troy. We have no trouble hiring any coach we can get at Troy. Even if this one seems like a Troy-Kinda-Guy. I’m not following your logic. What are you basing this conclusion off of that he was not the #1 pick? Who would you have had in your top 3? I’m sold on Parker, but he wasn’t on my top 3. My top 5 were: Neal Brown Larry Blakeney Jon Sumrall Rick Rhoades Chan Gailey
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Post by fltrojan on Dec 25, 2023 11:20:40 GMT -6
It would take a lot to convince me we hired Parker because we really, really wanted to; meaning that he was in the 1) spot on that list Brent Jones keeps in his pocket. Or even in the top ten. Or was even ON the list until we burned through those who actually were on it and now we were down to the bottom of the barrel of who was left to pick from. It still makes zero sense to me. The only thing it seems he had going for him was he was in the camp of Brown and our last head coach. There was not anyone anywhere in the college football world who saw this Crazy Ivan move coming. And the reaction wasn't "WOW! Didn't expect that but now that we see it, WOW!" No, instead the reaction was MUCH the same as when we hired Fester. The faithful remnant swallowing hard, keeping it positive while keeping their reservations to themselves, and saying, "well, let's get behind it and hope for the best" and the OTHER faithful remnant scratching their heads and going "Really?...Seriously?...What just happened?" So, trouble hiring a coach at Troy? Yeah, I think that's definitely more than plausible. Are there a lot of coaches who would love to come to Troy? Sure! Are there a lot who would settle for what Troy has to offer when it's time to talk business? Well, I believe apparently not or someone else would be coaching at Troy. It is said that Texas A&M leaked Stoops name early before it was official to run it up the flagpole for the fanbase and see the reaction. The reaction was very sour and offer was withdrawn. We are not TX A&M. So we have to settle for a PR campaign from previous coaches and others to try to cajole support for our hire when the reaction from many has again been, "really?...seriously?...what just happened? Make a "pros" wishlist of what you would want in a head coach and compare that to the actual pros list we're getting with Parker and it would in NO way be an inspiring exercise. We have trouble hiring the coach we want at Troy. We have no trouble hiring any coach we can get at Troy. Even if this one seems like a Troy-Kinda-Guy. I’m not following your logic. What are you basing this conclusion off of that he was not the #1 pick? Who would you have had in your top 3? Have no idea if he was #1 or #20. What I do know is they learned a valuable lesson after Fester and that is there is a culture that works at Troy and if you bring in a coach that doesn't fit that culture you are going to have a disaster ie 2019-21
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Post by fltrojan on Dec 25, 2023 11:21:48 GMT -6
I’m not following your logic. What are you basing this conclusion off of that he was not the #1 pick? Who would you have had in your top 3? I’m sold on Parker, but he wasn’t on my top 3. My top 5 were: Neal Brown Larry Blakeney Jon Sumrall Rick Rhoades Chan Gailey So three retired coaches and two with current HC jobs?
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 25, 2023 11:22:18 GMT -6
The NIL or payments to athletes etc may well decrease the really offensive payments to coaches. However, as to the arena we play in with our salaries we are doing pretty well if looking retrospectively except for one 3 year lapse. So, there are usually a top three when applications come in that is assuming any one of them would do well. Last time with JS it was pretty clear he was number one and he did not disappoint. Being one of the top three or two is about as assured as we could be. Good job I think. While we all have different opinions everyone on this board would like to see him be a success.
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Post by Troy_Fan_15 on Dec 25, 2023 11:28:59 GMT -6
I’m confused why there is still complaining. It’s over. HCGP is our new Troy FB leader and we can either be optimistic and see what happens or be pessimistic and not enjoy the ride.
Even Fester gave us things to cheer about. 3-0 vs South and brought in some good recruits.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 25, 2023 11:45:41 GMT -6
I’m sold on Parker, but he wasn’t on my top 3. My top 5 were: Neal Brown Larry Blakeney Jon Sumrall Rick Rhoades Chan Gailey So three retired coaches and two with current HC jobs? It’s Christmas. It’s my fantasy. All the coaches on my list are in their prime.
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Post by Mr. Ho on Dec 25, 2023 11:46:00 GMT -6
Yeah, it's not like he was OC at Kansas.
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Post by trojanocean on Dec 25, 2023 12:39:02 GMT -6
I disagree. Anyone who wants to be a head coach and make millions should be stalking CJH and ADBJ. Troy is a gateway to millions. Spot onâ¦â¦The Sun Belt Conference is the gateway to future stout contractsâ¦â¦Malzahn,Freeze,Harsin,Drinkwitz,Brown,Sumrall,Cignetti,Satterfield all profited handsomely by taking sun belt jobs. Fans thinking we were scraping the bottom of the barrel to hire Notre Dameâs OC seems misguided I'm glad you are impressed by the title of Notre Dame OC. To quote Shania, that don't impress me much and that in no way means he'll be good at being THE man in the big chair. So, in that "pros" column wishlist of what I want vs. what I got and some possibilities I liked more before AND once I knew who the hire was (which will answer your question, Hemi). Proven success at leading a college football program |||||||||| Proven success at running an offense at a notable school. Bill Clark |||||||||| (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay
Rich Rodriguez Cadillac Williams*** Freddie Kitchens ***only an interim head coach but is currently more successful as interim than 0-6, particularly after each taking over a program basically in shambles. This is just to name a few of my preferables and they're not in order and don't include coaches we know but have no HC xp which would expand my very impromptu and short list WAY further and still wouldn't have Parker's name show up yet. Were I to include coaches without HC xp, I think I might could arrive at 20 names before I hit Parker's. Sean Reagan, Gasperano (spelling intentional), Charles Kelly, and Matt Moore just to name a quick few before I head to Christmas lunch. We could argue the merits of each of these candidates and I'm certain every fan on this board would have their own reasons on why each of these would or wouldn't be a good fit but that wasn't Hemi's question. And Parker might turn out to be better than our last coach! But to me, it is a complete roll of the dice on what is basically an unknown.
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Post by trojanocean on Dec 25, 2023 12:40:17 GMT -6
Spot onâ¦â¦The Sun Belt Conference is the gateway to future stout contractsâ¦â¦Malzahn,Freeze,Harsin,Drinkwitz,Brown,Sumrall,Cignetti,Satterfield all profited handsomely by taking sun belt jobs. Fans thinking we were scraping the bottom of the barrel to hire Notre Dameâs OC seems misguided I'm glad you are impressed by the title of Notre Dame OC. To quote Shania, that don't impress me much and that in no way means he'll be good at being THE man in the big chair. So, in that "pros" column wishlist of what I want vs. what I got and some possibilities I liked more before AND once I knew who the hire was (which will answer your question, Hemi). Proven success at leading a college football program |||||||||| Proven success at running an offense at a noteworthy school. Bill Clark |||||||||| (The HC we don’t speak of) Lindsay
Rich Rodriguez Cadillac Williams*** Freddie Kitchens ***only an interim head coach but is currently more successful as interim than 0-6, particularly after each taking over a program basically in shambles. This is just to name a few of my preferables and they're not in order and don't include coaches we know but have no HC xp which would expand my very impromptu and short list WAY further and still wouldn't have Parker's name show up yet. Were I to include coaches without HC xp, I think I might could arrive at 20 names before I hit Parker's. Sean Reagan, Gasperano (spelling intentional), Charles Kelly, and Matt Moore just to name a quick few before I head to Christmas lunch. We could argue the merits of each of these candidates and I'm certain every fan on this board would have their own reasons on why each of these would or wouldn't be a good fit but that wasn't Hemi's question. And Parker might turn out to be better than our last coach! But to me, it is a complete roll of the dice on what is basically an unknown.
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Post by trojans09 on Dec 25, 2023 13:46:41 GMT -6
Really don’t care if he was number 1 or 20 on ADs shortlist, it’s who we have and I’m excited. Offense was pretty good at ND. You can’t really hold the interim record against him. We don’t know what he inherited. Gas is 0-1 as interim and we would have been ok with him as our guy.
GP seems eager and appreciative of the opportunity and wants to be plugged in on campus and in the community…wants to be a players coach…all part of the successful formula of brown and sumrall.
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Post by troyjan95 on Dec 25, 2023 13:51:35 GMT -6
Parker won't succeed without support. Give him 1000% until he gives a solid reason not to.
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Post by psychotrojan07 on Dec 25, 2023 16:11:47 GMT -6
Pretty much any coach we hire is a roll of the dice. There are no sure things. Even if a coach had a ton of success as a HC at the P5 level, there is no guarantee of fit and right timing for the present at Troy. I had never heard of GP before the hire but I can’t say that he’s a bad hire. He has not coached 1 game at Troy so I don’t think the hire can be judged. CL, bad hire. NB great hire. JS great hire. GP…we shall see! Merry Christmas to all my Troy friends!
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 25, 2023 16:28:13 GMT -6
Spot onâ¦â¦The Sun Belt Conference is the gateway to future stout contractsâ¦â¦Malzahn,Freeze,Harsin,Drinkwitz,Brown,Sumrall,Cignetti,Satterfield all profited handsomely by taking sun belt jobs. Fans thinking we were scraping the bottom of the barrel to hire Notre DameâÂÂs OC seems misguided I'm glad you are impressed by the title of Notre Dame OC. To quote Shania, that don't impress me much and that in no way means he'll be good at being THE man in the big chair. So, in that "pros" column wishlist of what I want vs. what I got and some possibilities I liked more before AND once I knew who the hire was (which will answer your question, Hemi). Proven success at leading a college football program |||||||||| Proven success at running an offense at a notable school. Bill Clark |||||||||| (The HC we donât speak of) Lindsay
Rich Rodriguez Cadillac Williams*** Freddie Kitchens ***only an interim head coach but is currently more successful as interim than 0-6, particularly after each taking over a program basically in shambles. This is just to name a few of my preferables and they're not in order and don't include coaches we know but have no HC xp which would expand my very impromptu and short list WAY further and still wouldn't have Parker's name show up yet. Were I to include coaches without HC xp, I think I might could arrive at 20 names before I hit Parker's. Sean Reagan, Gasperano (spelling intentional), Charles Kelly, and Matt Moore just to name a quick few before I head to Christmas lunch. We could argue the merits of each of these candidates and I'm certain every fan on this board would have their own reasons on why each of these would or wouldn't be a good fit but that wasn't Hemi's question. And Parker might turn out to be better than our last coach! But to me, it is a complete roll of the dice on what is basically an unknown. The fact that (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) is on your list, or on anyone else's list for that matter, speaks volumes.
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Post by chasin170 on Dec 25, 2023 18:26:44 GMT -6
Of course every hire is a roll of the dice when you’re hiring in the 1M range and playing in a salty G5 conference.
We can be absolutely assured that HCGP has character due to his references of Brown,Sumrall,and NOTRE DAME.I think this new hire has been properly vetted,that’s all I saying but that is a great start.
I’ll take more character and less football knowledge every time in leading young men.
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 25, 2023 18:39:17 GMT -6
Spot onâ¦â¦The Sun Belt Conference is the gateway to future stout contractsâ¦â¦Malzahn,Freeze,Harsin,Drinkwitz,Brown,Sumrall,Cignetti,Satterfield all profited handsomely by taking sun belt jobs. Fans thinking we were scraping the bottom of the barrel to hire Notre DameâÂÂs OC seems misguided I'm glad you are impressed by the title of Notre Dame OC. To quote Shania, that don't impress me much and that in no way means he'll be good at being THE man in the big chair.  So, in that "pros" column wishlist of what I want vs. what I got and some possibilities I liked more before AND once I knew who the hire was (which will answer your question, Hemi). Proven success at leading a college football program |||||||||| Proven success at running an offense at a notable school.  Bill Clark                                                               ||||||||||  (The HC we donât speak of) LindsayÂ
Rich Rodriguez Cadillac Williams*** Freddie Kitchens ***only an interim head coach but is currently more successful as interim than 0-6, particularly after each taking over a program basically in shambles.  This is just to name a few of my preferables and they're not in order and don't include coaches we know but have no HC xp which would expand my very impromptu and short list WAY further and still wouldn't have Parker's name show up yet. Were I to include coaches without HC xp, I think I might could arrive at 20 names before I hit Parker's. Sean Reagan, Gasperano (spelling intentional), Charles Kelly, and Matt Moore just to name a quick few before I head to Christmas lunch. We could argue the merits of each of these candidates and I'm certain every fan on this board would have their own reasons on why each of these would or wouldn't be a good fit but that wasn't Hemi's question.   And Parker might turn out to be better than our last coach! But to me, it is a complete roll of the dice on what is basically an unknown.  Clarkâs success is questionable at best at UAB. His success was built off of basically unlimited recruiting and minimal restrictions. You canât be serious about (The HC we don’t speak of). Rich Rod is a has been clinging on to his last hopes. Rich Rod 20 years ago? Bring him on. Im not sure Sean Reagan is ready to be head coach, but I would gladly take him as OC if we are in the market for one. Gasparado I think would have been a solid hire. Charles Kelly. No no no and never. Matt Moore I donât think will ever be a head coach. I think we had a legitimate search to find the man that best fits Troy and the Troy culture. That doesnât necessarily mean a Troy guy. Having said that your opinion carries the same weight as mine and everyone elseâs on here. The true judge of right and wrong will be measured in wins and losses.
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