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Post by sballalumni2 on Jun 6, 2016 7:53:54 GMT -6
I have heard that several players are leaving the program. I hope it is only the reserve players. I was kind of shocked because I am pretty sure these are Beth's recruits. While I was watching the WCWS this weekend, I had a thought. Alabama's third string pitcher came in and it occurred to me that over the years we have had several Alabama pitchers transfer to Troy because they weren't getting much playing time. I think she could come in and be our #1 and be a hero! Has anyone else heard that some of the kids are transferring?
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Post by Troystet on Jun 6, 2016 8:38:34 GMT -6
Only problem is they have to sit out a year. I emailed till I was blue in the face on a pitcher I coached in travel ball for five years. Signed with South, when Jimmy K. Left she transferred to CF here, made juco All-American, throws about 65-66 mph. No resoonse from Troy. Signed with SC-Upstate, multiple A-Sun player of the week, 1st team Atlantic Sun this year, We could have easily got her.
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Post by sballalumni2 on Jun 6, 2016 10:16:47 GMT -6
I think the AL pitcher transfers that I am thinking of graduated from Alabama and then came to Troy for their senior year, so they didn't have to sit a year. If Alabama released her and didn't put Troy on the no transfer list, then I believe that she could play immediately. The girl that transferred from South Alabama played at Missouri this year. She didn't have to sit. I know that SEC has an in-conference rule that requires a sit year if they transfer to another SEC team.
I have heard from multiple sources that Beth has her on agenda on the recruiting trail. There is a girl at Northwest Florida State (old Okaloosa-Walton CC) that had grade problems and transferred from Georgia to NWFS that everyone in the country wants and they said that Troy had no interest in her. She is a pitcher and homerun hitter that was interested in Troy. Granted, she will be a Jan transfer in because she has to get her grades under control, but for them to not even be interested is crazy. I saw her play and she hit two homeruns and one almost hit the gym that is really far behind the fence. Hannah Day came from NWFS, and she is the best player that Troy has had in quite some time.
Per my conversation with Hartwell, Beth's philosophy was to get in fast, quick, athletic players to create havoc on the bases. I am waiting and wishing!
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Post by Troystet on Jun 6, 2016 10:56:41 GMT -6
I don't think you can play immediately on a transfer. I know Haley Fagan left South for Auburn and had to sit out. I know if you graduate you can play immediately. We have got to expand our recruiting. I looked at Auburn's roster. 7 from FL, 4 from CA-AZ, several from AL. Got to recruit FL and the west coast. Fast players are great and there is a place for slap hitters but you better have the power hitters to drive them in or hit the hr ball
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Post by sballalumni2 on Jun 6, 2016 14:54:57 GMT -6
Chloe Rathburn played at South Alabama last year, asked for a transfer to be closer to home, and then ended up playing and starting for Missouri this year. I am pretty sure that the USA coach listed Auburn on the no transfer list for Fagan, so that is why she had to sit. I have heard that coaches will list any school in state or any school in this or that conference. I have even heard of some coaches in CA saying that you couldn't play at any school on their schedule for the next few years. I think it just depends on the coach and the athletic department on how nice/generous they want to be.
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Post by sballalumni2 on Jun 6, 2016 15:22:07 GMT -6
On the west coast recruiting, I think it would be a waste of time and money unless she can get a strong contact out there to recommend players. If she has to travel out there and compete with the west coast mid-majors for players, I think it would be too costly (time and money wise). My focus would be on the under the radar kids that don't play on big travel ball teams, but are still really good. It takes a lot of work to find those kids, but she can rely on the area JUCO coaches to some extent. The level of JUCO in Florida is excellent. Jessica Elliott played at Chipola and transfered to South Carolina and was their #2 pitcher. She was either under the radar and played local travel ball or had grade problems, but look where she is now. For some reason, her first few recruiting classes shyed away from JUCO players, but maybe she is starting to realize her best players have been JUCO and she needs to fill some holes ASAP. If the recruited high school freshmen she brought in were better, then why didn't they get to play? The three hitters had a combined 87 at-bats, with Snyder getting 57 of them, and a combined total of 17 hits. The recruiting is so early now though, so I am not sure these were her recruits or the old staff. It is hard to tell because most of the class of 2019 is already verbally committed.
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Post by Mr. Ho on Jun 6, 2016 20:32:21 GMT -6
I don't think you can play immediately on a transfer. I know Haley Fagan left South for Auburn and had to sit out. I know if you graduate you can play immediately. We have got to expand our recruiting. I looked at Auburn's roster. 7 from FL, 4 from CA-AZ, several from AL. Got to recruit FL and the west coast. Fast players are great and there is a place for slap hitters but you better have the power hitters to drive them in or hit the hr ball One players father is a Troy Alum...that's what happens when you don't build ANY loyalty among your students and alum. Not that she would hav gone to Troy, but I am willing to bet, she never got a call from anybody on George Wallace.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 6, 2016 21:13:30 GMT -6
On the west coast recruiting, I think it would be a waste of time and money unless she can get a strong contact out there to recommend players. If she has to travel out there and compete with the west coast mid-majors for players, I think it would be too costly (time and money wise). My focus would be on the under the radar kids that don't play on big travel ball teams, but are still really good. It takes a lot of work to find those kids, but she can rely on the area JUCO coaches to some extent. The level of JUCO in Florida is excellent. Jessica Elliott played at Chipola and transfered to South Carolina and was their #2 pitcher. She was either under the radar and played local travel ball or had grade problems, but look where she is now. For some reason, her first few recruiting classes shyed away from JUCO players, but maybe she is starting to realize her best players have been JUCO and she needs to fill some holes ASAP. If the recruited high school freshmen she brought in were better, then why didn't they get to play? The three hitters had a combined 87 at-bats, with Snyder getting 57 of them, and a combined total of 17 hits. The recruiting is so early now though, so I am not sure these were her recruits or the old staff. It is hard to tell because most of the class of 2019 is already verbally committed. I agree on that. There are a lot of really talented players at the juco level. Not because of grades or talent but simply because they didn't have parents willing to spend $5,000 a summer to play ASA Gold level.
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Post by Redwaver on Jun 7, 2016 5:50:19 GMT -6
On the west coast recruiting, I think it would be a waste of time and money unless she can get a strong contact out there to recommend players. If she has to travel out there and compete with the west coast mid-majors for players, I think it would be too costly (time and money wise). My focus would be on the under the radar kids that don't play on big travel ball teams, but are still really good. It takes a lot of work to find those kids, but she can rely on the area JUCO coaches to some extent. The level of JUCO in Florida is excellent. Jessica Elliott played at Chipola and transfered to South Carolina and was their #2 pitcher. She was either under the radar and played local travel ball or had grade problems, but look where she is now. For some reason, her first few recruiting classes shyed away from JUCO players, but maybe she is starting to realize her best players have been JUCO and she needs to fill some holes ASAP. If the recruited high school freshmen she brought in were better, then why didn't they get to play? The three hitters had a combined 87 at-bats, with Snyder getting 57 of them, and a combined total of 17 hits. The recruiting is so early now though, so I am not sure these were her recruits or the old staff. It is hard to tell because most of the class of 2019 is already verbally committed. I agree on that. There are a lot of really talented players at the juco level. Not because of grades or talent but simply because they didn't have parents willing to spend $5,000 a summer to play ASA Gold level. Troystet, I agree on softball finding good juco players and that it's probably a waste of time and money in scouting the west coast but why do you support softball recruiting juco's but oppose football doing the same thing? I agree high school is the foundation of all good programs but there are great players in both sports at the juco level for various reasons. Just curious.
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Post by sballalumni2 on Jun 7, 2016 6:26:15 GMT -6
I can't speak for Troyset, but in softball the Power 5 schools almost recruit exclusively from the ASA Gold and PGF Tournaments that take place during the summer. They almost never attend high school games or even local softball tournaments. The other recruiting takes place at summer camps. There is just some parents that can't afford to travel to CA and CO or even pay to send their daughter to multiple camps. Also, there are only a certain number of teams that get to play in those elite tournaments, so you basically have to find a team with a spot open and sometimes travel 5-6 hours just to go to practice. The JUCO coaches spend more time at the local tournaments and know they have to find the under the radar kids. Most of the football JUCO kids are well known and recruited by Power 5, but they usually have grade problems. I think in softball it is more undiscovered talent versus football that is known talent but comes with issues. Not every case is like that, there are always exceptions.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 8, 2016 18:11:26 GMT -6
Juco is totally different in softball. Colleges don't scout high school games. They scout the summer travel ball circuits. Like sbalumni said the power 5 recruit the ASA Gold level and to play that level is a huge monetary and travel commitment. Team North Florida here won the ASA Gold four years ago. They traveled to Texas, California and Colorado. It financially broke a friend of mine who filed bankruptsy to allow his daughter to get a D1 scholarship. Many great players can't do this monetarily. So they play lower level tournaments often in their home state. These get scouted primarily by D2 and Juco. A lot of girls have to go Juco because the Juco offer is better than the D2 offer. Many of these girls are ASA caliber but don't get looked at because they didn't play in upper tourneys. Man y are honor students also. Juco in Football is 99% grades or character issues. Not to say they aren't talented but colleges scout hs footbal games. If they go Juco there is a reason. That's the difference
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Post by Redwaver on Jun 8, 2016 19:23:16 GMT -6
Juco is totally different in softball. Colleges don't scout high school games. They scout the summer travel ball circuits. Like sbalumni said the power 5 recruit the ASA Gold level and to play that level is a huge monetary and travel commitment. Team North Florida here won the ASA Gold four years ago. They traveled to Texas, California and Colorado. It financially broke a friend of mine who filed bankruptsy to allow his daughter to get a D1 scholarship. Many great players can't do this monetarily. So they play lower level tournaments often in their home state. These get scouted primarily by D2 and Juco. A lot of girls have to go Juco because the Juco offer is better than the D2 offer. Many of these girls are ASA caliber but don't get looked at because they didn't play in upper tourneys. Man y are honor students also. Juco in Football is 99% grades or character issues. Not to say they aren't talented but colleges scout hs footbal games. If they go Juco there is a reason. That's the difference Having coached for a lot of years I certainly understand that but when all is said and done, no matter the reason, both football and softball are juco's. I've known of some excellent high school kids that play softball and would select Troy but they never get asked. Knew of one that her grandmother was a Troy grad and grandmother told me that she wanted to go to Troy but got no interest. Signed with Ga St and was one of their best pitchers. This was 4 years ago. It seems to me we need pitchers. We just don't see a Troy presence here in our area high schools and they play good softball here. I don't know the effort put in scouting softball for recruits but that's where you win or lose.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 9, 2016 9:13:03 GMT -6
Juco is totally different in softball. Colleges don't scout high school games. They scout the summer travel ball circuits. Like sbalumni said the power 5 recruit the ASA Gold level and to play that level is a huge monetary and travel commitment. Team North Florida here won the ASA Gold four years ago. They traveled to Texas, California and Colorado. It financially broke a friend of mine who filed bankruptsy to allow his daughter to get a D1 scholarship. Many great players can't do this monetarily. So they play lower level tournaments often in their home state. These get scouted primarily by D2 and Juco. A lot of girls have to go Juco because the Juco offer is better than the D2 offer. Many of these girls are ASA caliber but don't get looked at because they didn't play in upper tourneys. Man y are honor students also. Juco in Football is 99% grades or character issues. Not to say they aren't talented but colleges scout hs footbal games. If they go Juco there is a reason. That's the difference Having coached for a lot of years I certainly understand that but when all is said and done, no matter the reason, both football and softball are juco's. I've known of some excellent high school kids that play softball and would select Troy but they never get asked. Knew of one that her grandmother was a Troy grad and grandmother told me that she wanted to go to Troy but got no interest. Signed with Ga St and was one of their best pitchers. This was 4 years ago. It seems to me we need pitchers. We just don't see a Troy presence here in our area high schools and they play good softball here. I don't know the effort put in scouting softball for recruits but that's where you win or lose. You are not going to see any college coach, Troy or not at a high school softball game. The reason...travel ball. Huge difference in travel ball talent level and high schhol ball. Coaches can go to summer tournaments and see a huge talent pool and judge the players and pitchers against quality competition. Just had a friend of mine have his daughter sign with a lower juco. Actually a feat because they could not afford to play travel ball at all.
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Post by Redwaver on Jun 9, 2016 12:08:14 GMT -6
Having coached for a lot of years I certainly understand that but when all is said and done, no matter the reason, both football and softball are juco's. I've known of some excellent high school kids that play softball and would select Troy but they never get asked. Knew of one that her grandmother was a Troy grad and grandmother told me that she wanted to go to Troy but got no interest. Signed with Ga St and was one of their best pitchers. This was 4 years ago. It seems to me we need pitchers. We just don't see a Troy presence here in our area high schools and they play good softball here. I don't know the effort put in scouting softball for recruits but that's where you win or lose. You are not going to see any college coach, Troy or not at a high school softball game. The reason...travel ball. Huge difference in travel ball talent level and high schhol ball. Coaches can go to summer tournaments and see a huge talent pool and judge the players and pitchers against quality competition. Just had a friend of mine have his daughter sign with a lower juco. Actually a feat because they could not afford to play travel ball at all. Aren't they the same kids? Travel ball gets their players from the high schools. It just seems to me if we want other coaches to recruit high schools, it's not too much to ask the Softball coaches to do the same, juco coaches do it. I agree that tournaments offer a bigger field of talent without traveling much but your Power 5 folks are there as well. I know s player from our area that I felt could have played at Troy but one of the small Alabama colleges scouted and signed her!
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Post by Troystet on Jun 9, 2016 12:38:19 GMT -6
You are not going to see any college coach, Troy or not at a high school softball game. The reason...travel ball. Huge difference in travel ball talent level and high schhol ball. Coaches can go to summer tournaments and see a huge talent pool and judge the players and pitchers against quality competition. Just had a friend of mine have his daughter sign with a lower juco. Actually a feat because they could not afford to play travel ball at all. Aren't they the same kids? Travel ball gets their players from the high schools. It just seems to me if we want other coaches to recruit high schools, it's not too much to ask the Softball coaches to do the same, juco coaches do it. I agree that tournaments offer a bigger field of talent without traveling much but your Power 5 folks are there as well. I know s player from our area that I felt could have played at Troy but one of the small Alabama colleges scouted and signed her! I can't blame the coaches. Go to a tourney and then go watch a hs game, it's not even remotely the same. Here in Ocala, we have a good program in Forest. 7A state champs last year, three D1 signees. The rest of the HS are fair to awful. So watching a game Forest vs West Port, every girl on Forest looks great while in reality three were really good, two other juco caliper and the rest not good enough to play college
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Post by cornhole on Jun 9, 2016 22:09:49 GMT -6
cornhole just trying to follow the conversation here but know diddly about College softball. Logic tell$ me $oftball recruiting just goes where there more bang for the recruiting buck$
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Post by Troystet on Jun 10, 2016 13:15:06 GMT -6
cornhole just trying to follow the conversation here but know diddly about College softball. Logic tell$ me $oftball recruiting just goes where there more bang for the recruiting buck$ There are actually girls that don't even play high school ball, they strictly play travel ball. Several reasons such as their hs team is terrible etc but the number one reason is other than for the experience, there is no reason to do it. You won't get looked at, no colleges go to games so why bother. Your scholarships are earned in the summer...period. Some of the girls on the power teams such as Florida, Alabama etc actually start to get looked at in the eighth to ninth grade. One of the seniors on Florida's team started getting watched by Walton when she was in the eighth grade in summer tournaments in CA
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Post by Redwaver on Jun 10, 2016 18:47:41 GMT -6
cornhole just trying to follow the conversation here but know diddly about College softball. Logic tell$ me $oftball recruiting just goes where there more bang for the recruiting buck$ There are actually girls that don't even play high school ball, they strictly play travel ball. Several reasons such as their hs team is terrible etc but the number one reason is other than for the experience, there is no reason to do it. You won't get looked at, no colleges go to games so why bother. Your scholarships are earned in the summer...period. Some of the girls on the power teams such as Florida, Alabama etc actually start to get looked at in the eighth to ninth grade. One of the seniors on Florida's team started getting watched by Walton when she was in the eighth grade in summer tournaments in CA Not arguing here, I get your point but to say "no colleges go to (softball) games" that's just not true. We have kids in our area sign with four year universities a lot who have never played "Travel Ball"! I like the point that "There are actually girls that don't play high school ball. Several reasons such as their high school teams are terrible.....!" Hummmmmm, don't think we would accept that excuse for most other sports for a second. Let's see, they are good players (at least they or mom and dad must think so) and chose not to play for their HS because the team is bad. How will their HS team ever get better if the best players chose not to play because the other kids are not good enough, skill wise,to be their teammates?
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Post by Troystet on Jun 10, 2016 21:12:24 GMT -6
There are actually girls that don't even play high school ball, they strictly play travel ball. Several reasons such as their hs team is terrible etc but the number one reason is other than for the experience, there is no reason to do it. You won't get looked at, no colleges go to games so why bother. Your scholarships are earned in the summer...period. Some of the girls on the power teams such as Florida, Alabama etc actually start to get looked at in the eighth to ninth grade. One of the seniors on Florida's team started getting watched by Walton when she was in the eighth grade in summer tournaments in CA Not arguing here, I get your point but to say "no colleges go to (softball) games" that's just not true. We have kids in our area sign with four year universities a lot who have never played "Travel Ball"! I like the point that "There are actually girls that don't play high school ball. Several reasons such as their high school teams are terrible.....!" Hummmmmm, don't think we would accept that excuse for most other sports for a second. Let's see, they are good players (at least they or mom and dad must think so) and chose not to play for their HS because the team is bad. How will their HS team ever get better if the best players chose not to play because the other kids are not good enough, skill wise,to be their teammates? I can almost bet that the girls who did not play travel ball got a offer from attending camp and it's a rare occurrence. Colleges just don't scout high school games. My high school, Dunnellon, FL was the 2009 and 2010 State Champs and 2010 ESPN Rise National Champs. Beat Hannah Rogers (UF ace) for the 2009 title and Jackie Traina (Alabama ace) for the 2010 title. All 9 starters went college (4 D1 including 3 to the SEC, two division 2 and the rest juco). Not one college ever attended a game. Softball has limited recruiting budgets. They can attend 5-10 summer tournaments, see a highly concentrated amount of talent, judge that talent against high caliper talent. One ASA tournament they can scout hundreds of girls that can flat play. Baseball is getting to this also. You will still see a scout here or there, especially a pitcher but the scouting is done in travel ball now. Girls not playing high school ball is rare but it does happen. There are high school teams that literally have girls that can't throw and catch. I know, I've seen them when my daughter played. We had a girl on our travel team that is playing D1 right now. She throws about 64 mph. Her senior year she didn't have a girl on her high school team that could catch her so she had to drastically ease up her velocity. What good was that for her??? Had another girl who went college at short stop. Her hs didn't have squat. If she threw hard to first base the girl was afraid of the ball.
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Jun 11, 2016 10:57:13 GMT -6
I only know one girl that got a scholarship to play and she told me that she was never looked at in High School games. She was on a travelling team between her junior and senior years and that is when she was contacted. She said her high school coach told her parents that she was good enough to play at the next level and that they needed to put her on a travelling team.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 11, 2016 16:15:39 GMT -6
I only know one girl that got a scholarship to play and she told me that she was never looked at in High School games. She was on a travelling team between her junior and senior years and that is when she was contacted. She said her high school coach told her parents that she was good enough to play at the next level and that they needed to put her on a travelling team. Exactly how it works. Parents spend a lot of money on travel ball with hopes of scholarships. Some girls start travel ball at 8 years old and play till they are 18. Some get burned out and quit, some like my daughter get injured and don't recover, and others get scholarships. Travel ball is a huge commitment financially and time wise. My daughters last summer we played 8 tournaments over 10 weekends that summer. 2-3 nights in a hotel each weekend plus gas and food, 54 total games in 90 plus degree heat, cost of uniforms, cost to participate around $800 just to play and that was with a volunteer high school coach, some of the other teams we spoke with parents were spending $2,500 just to play plus hotel and travel expenses but the coach was paid. Huge commitment
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Post by troyjan95 on Jun 12, 2016 8:33:14 GMT -6
I sent the name of the best pitcher at the Chattanooga showcase this weekend - guess I need to tell dad to let her sign with Georgia Southern
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Post by Troystet on Jun 12, 2016 9:30:53 GMT -6
Hopefully Troy coaches are there. They also need to be at the big one held at Disney. When we played in it there was a team from New Mexico there. Small girls but they could flat play. We had a very good team and they beat us 8-1. A lot of talent from all over in that one
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Post by troyjan95 on Jun 12, 2016 12:18:41 GMT -6
they know and per dad, Troy is there
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Post by troyjan95 on Jun 12, 2016 12:22:18 GMT -6
I am not a coach and I have sent a total of 3 names to Troy in all sports combined - have never received a reply - not even don't send information or thank you not sure I understand that but one would think there would be a standard reply
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