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Post by troyalumni on Dec 7, 2019 21:18:01 GMT -6
Just FYI - as much as we would like to see coaching staff changeâs itâs not going to happen. Clearly to the fan base and those that are donors we are left in the dark from the administration. I figured there would be a clear message after the horrendous season we had but everything seems pretty lackadaisical. Go figure. No message from (The HC we don’t speak of) or Brent Jones. I guess we just carry on and hope for the best next season. Thatâs how this plays out. Other universities that have made coaching changes have already done it. After the success weâve had, Iâm not sure how this is acceptable. AND yes Iâm saying all this out of frustration. We deserve an answer on what the HELL happened this past season, and what the expectation is next season - from the coaching staff to the players. As of right now it seems like all the players arenât buying in to (The HC we don’t speak of) bc they all want to transfer. Iâm done ranting. Iâm frustrated.
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Post by crawlspace13 on Dec 7, 2019 23:28:26 GMT -6
I feel and echo your frustration. I don't expect to hear anything from (The HC we don’t speak of), partly because he's never owned much of anything in regards to what happens with the team, but mostly because nothing is changing right now. He doesn't really have anything new to say. It all comes down to soundbites from his press showings: it's year one and you really don't understand your team that first year, the players didn't play hard enough, it was an SEC team so what did we expect to happen, those other guys are just really good, etc. I'm relatively sure things have been said in the department, that some ultimatums have been laid down. Hopefully they'll be concentrating on recruiting and fixing the mess they created.
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Post by Possum on Dec 8, 2019 1:14:57 GMT -6
I’m not so sure ultimatums were made...
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 8, 2019 2:02:32 GMT -6
Yes, everyone is frustrated. But markers have been laid down, expectations laid out and ultimatums issued. I suspect you we see a possible few explore the portal but not the mass exodus the chicken Little’s predict.
AD Brent is also wet behind the ears in his job, so these two are swirling around together, trying to navigate something they never have experienced before as the head men. We will have to sit back and have to endure them learning on the job, hoping they get it right eventually. I’ll say it again, for next year, AD Brent is silently hoping for a complete cliff dive of a season or a near perfect one, so his decision is clear next year. His worst nightmare is 6-6, next year.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 8, 2019 10:49:57 GMT -6
It's failure till it aint. That includes AD Brent. Yeah... that annual Christmas donation request I get in the mail from Dear Ole Troy every year... It's sitting on my desk. I didn't throw it away but I'm too pissed to open it.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 8, 2019 11:51:25 GMT -6
Yes, everyone is frustrated. But markers have been laid down, expectations laid out and ultimatums issued. I suspect you we see a possible few explore the portal but not the mass exodus the chicken Little’s predict. AD Brent is also wet behind the ears in his job, so these two are swirling around together, trying to navigate something they never have experienced before as the head men. We will have to sit back and have to endure them learning on the job, hoping they get it right eventually. I’ll say it again, for next year, AD Brent is silently hoping for a complete cliff dive of a season or a near perfect one, so his decision is clear next year. His worst nightmare is 6-6, next year. And you know this how?
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Post by cornhole on Dec 8, 2019 12:02:47 GMT -6
It's failure till it aint. That includes AD Brent. Yeah... that annual Christmas donation request I get in the mail from Dear Ole Troy every year... It's sitting on my desk. I didn't throw it away but I'm too pissed to open it. Apparently the only way to get anyone's attention is $$$. Warrior Fund donations, Season Ticket purchases, EOY Philanthropic gifts. I spoke with one respected donor recently who annually supports Troy Athletics. This the first time in years he did NOT designate any funds for Troy Football, opting for other Trojan Athletic programs. I'm not sure how effective that is, Athletics can move $$ around as THEY see fit, kinda like those three oyster shells and the pearl. It's frustrating to be a year's long stakeholder/contributor and yet have no idea about the administrative reaction to this season's dumpster fire, if any. Other than that, I suggest a letter to Chancellor Hawkins expressing your disgust at whatever process landed this class of clowns for our Football Staff. just a Trojain't
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 8, 2019 16:47:29 GMT -6
Let’s see......one might say the key to being a good coach may INCLUDE being able to think quickly (as in being nimble and agile in thought). It has been a week since the end came in a fashion NONE of us appreciate. So the comment about not having a clue what is going on for the fan base is a very real and perplexing thing. While you are working on a statement!!!!! It does not have to be perfect (we all no that is not true) but these are not the Articles of Impeachment. This is a statement to the fan base about some actions, some self reflection and the HINT OF A PLAN. Not a good way of dealing with the masses when the best rating one gets is a 71 with an average of probably 61 at best and a disgruntled bunch of folks who are either sonars and ticket buyers but THE FAN BASE pretty unified in saying there should be a plan to get TROY out of the ditch (not my words but those of sports writers)
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Post by troyjan95 on Dec 8, 2019 17:17:22 GMT -6
unless there is a plan on the golf course, there is no plan
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Post by jonesoxygen on Dec 8, 2019 19:25:18 GMT -6
There are two schools of thoughts with the new early signing period.
1. Fire whomever you’re gonna fire as soon as the season is over and show the recruits you’re working to get better. Trusting the coaches who are left can keep the players on board.
Or
2. Wait until early signing period is over and make the changes. Trusting the relationships are strong enough to keep the players committed.
Clearly we didn’t go with option 1 so we shall see if we go with option 2.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 9, 2019 7:55:13 GMT -6
I sincerely hope that all of us and ME INCLUDED will have to eat crow next year for our lack of belief in ones ability to make changes. I hope option 2 of JonesO is correct if not the revolt will continue and the only ones hurt will be the players, the students, the fans, the community be it the merchants or the growth of the community all the while those responsible move on as if nothing happened. Come on Option 2 we are waiting.
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Post by The Cardinal Rule on Dec 9, 2019 9:12:37 GMT -6
If nobody has been fired by now then it's safe to assume no one is going to be fired. The powers that be are hitching their hopes on we have a first year coach with a young and inexperienced staff and this losing season is a hiccup. I think what is frustrating to us as fans is that we're left in the dark. I'm not saying we have to be told in depth scheme changes, plans, etc... but we need more from our coach than a blank stare and generic answers (We didn't play well and such).
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Post by cornhole on Dec 9, 2019 9:46:35 GMT -6
There are two schools of thoughts with the new early signing period. 1. Fire whomever you’re gonna fire as soon as the season is over and show the recruits you’re working to get better. Trusting the coaches who are left can keep the players on board. Or 2. Wait until early signing period is over and make the changes. Trusting the relationships are strong enough to keep the players committed. Clearly we didn’t go with option 1 so we shall see if we go with option 2. Hasty decision making got us into this mess, maybe a more considerate approach to fixin' it will get us out. In my business experience, if you gonna fire some one, ya better have a replacement in ya pocket.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 9, 2019 10:08:22 GMT -6
There are two schools of thoughts with the new early signing period. 1. Fire whomever you’re gonna fire as soon as the season is over and show the recruits you’re working to get better. Trusting the coaches who are left can keep the players on board. Or 2. Wait until early signing period is over and make the changes. Trusting the relationships are strong enough to keep the players committed. Clearly we didn’t go with option 1 so we shall see if we go with option 2. Hasty decision making got us into this mess, maybe a more considerate approach to fixin' it will get us out. In my business experience, if you gonna fire some one, ya better have a replacement in ya pocket. This!! I knew him from his year at USM, I'm leaving soon so he will do. No reason to put any effort into this or listen to anybody
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 9, 2019 11:06:21 GMT -6
If nobody has been fired by now then it's safe to assume no one is going to be fired. The powers that be are hitching their hopes on we have a first year coach with a young and inexperienced staff and this losing season is a hiccup. I think what is frustrating to us as fans is that we're left in the dark. I'm not saying we have to be told in depth scheme changes, plans, etc... but we need more from our coach than a blank stare and generic answers (We didn't play well and such). I think you will see some changes after the early signing period. How many? That I don’t know.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 9, 2019 14:51:47 GMT -6
If nobody has been fired by now then it's safe to assume no one is going to be fired. The powers that be are hitching their hopes on we have a first year coach with a young and inexperienced staff and this losing season is a hiccup. I think what is frustrating to us as fans is that we're left in the dark. I'm not saying we have to be told in depth scheme changes, plans, etc... but we need more from our coach than a blank stare and generic answers (We didn't play well and such). I think you will see some changes after the early signing period. How many? That I don’t know. I think its a huge mistake to sign the players and then make coaching changes. That would be two years in a row that we would have done that. I know its par for the course but you had a whole group that was recruited by and signed with a staff to basically have them all leave two weeks later and 17-18 year old players don't necessarily understand this. It will start looking like you can't trust the Troy program but just my opinion
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 9, 2019 17:45:48 GMT -6
I think you will see some changes after the early signing period. How many? That I don’t know. I think its a huge mistake to sign the players and then make coaching changes. That would be two years in a row that we would have done that. I know its par for the course but you had a whole group that was recruited by and signed with a staff to basically have them all leave two weeks later and 17-18 year old players don't necessarily understand this. It will start looking like you can't trust the Troy program but just my opinion So we are da..... if we do and da..... if we don’t?
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 9, 2019 21:11:53 GMT -6
I have decided that I have been to vocal and I would like to change my attitude. So I am. For that I wish to thank (The HC we don’t speak of) but mostly 151 proof pure grain alcohol. Good night Mr attitude changer in a bottle ð
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Post by cornhole on Dec 9, 2019 21:18:16 GMT -6
I have decided that I have been to vocal and I would like to change my attitude. So I am. For that I wish to thank (The HC we don’t speak of) but mostly 151 proof pure grain alcohol. Good night Mr attitude changer in a bottle ð Ok, so. Margaritas were not strong enough?? I'm undergoing therapy with a good psych if you need a referral .
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Post by troyalumni on Dec 9, 2019 21:51:07 GMT -6
There are two schools of thoughts with the new early signing period. 1. Fire whomever you’re gonna fire as soon as the season is over and show the recruits you’re working to get better. Trusting the coaches who are left can keep the players on board. Or 2. Wait until early signing period is over and make the changes. Trusting the relationships are strong enough to keep the players committed. Clearly we didn’t go with option 1 so we shall see if we go with option 2. Option 2 is not going to happen. We are stuck with the coaches we have. It would of happen already. This next season will tell it all. No excuses. I’m just going to suck it up and drink a lot on Saturdays.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 9, 2019 22:05:30 GMT -6
There are two schools of thoughts with the new early signing period. 1. Fire whomever you’re gonna fire as soon as the season is over and show the recruits you’re working to get better. Trusting the coaches who are left can keep the players on board. Or 2. Wait until early signing period is over and make the changes. Trusting the relationships are strong enough to keep the players committed. Clearly we didn’t go with option 1 so we shall see if we go with option 2. Option 2 is not going to happen. We are stuck with the coaches we have. It would of happen already. This next season will tell it all. No excuses. I’m just going to suck it up and drink a lot on Saturdays. Not ready to punt yet, but will meet you for libation on Saturdays none-the-less!
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 11, 2019 10:59:56 GMT -6
Yes, everyone is frustrated. But markers have been laid down, expectations laid out and ultimatums issued. I suspect you we see a possible few explore the portal but not the mass exodus the chicken Little’s predict. AD Brent is also wet behind the ears in his job, so these two are swirling around together, trying to navigate something they never have experienced before as the head men. We will have to sit back and have to endure them learning on the job, hoping they get it right eventually. I’ll say it again, for next year, AD Brent is silently hoping for a complete cliff dive of a season or a near perfect one, so his decision is clear next year. His worst nightmare is 6-6, next year. And you know this how? New strength coach will be hired. Things are happening, let’s just see how far things go. Hearing two or three different things.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 11, 2019 11:08:14 GMT -6
New strength coach will be hired. Things are happening, let’s just see how far things go. Hearing two or three different things. Keep us informed. Your ears are in places that mine don't reach!!
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Dec 11, 2019 11:08:27 GMT -6
New strength coach will be hired. Things are happening, letâs just see how far things go. Hearing two or three different things. So glad Finley is no longer S&C coach. He was the only hire (The HC we don’t speak of) made that I seriously hated. The dude was previously fired from USM because he wasn't doing things right.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 11, 2019 11:12:39 GMT -6
New strength coach will be hired. Things are happening, letâs just see how far things go. Hearing two or three different things. So glad Finley is no longer S&C coach. He was the only hire (The HC we don’t speak of) made that I seriously hated. The dude was previously fired from USM because he wasn't doing things right. He wasn't the only hire relieved of duty by his previous employer.
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